Tại Sao GHT NAT Gởi Tường Trình cho các HT?

Tháng Hai 5, 2010 at 4:57 chiều (Hoi Dap) (, , , , , , , , , , , , )

Viết ngày 5 tháng 2, 2010

Kính Chào Quí Đọc Giả:

Cảm ơn những lời đóng góp và gợi ý của Quí Đọc Giả.  Theo đây là một đóng góp của đọc gỉa LNNNNN; cũng như những lời trình bày của tôi để Quí Đọc Gỉa được rỏ.

Vì theo dạng email do đó xin Qúi Đọc Gỉa đọc từ cuối trang lên đầu trang.

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From:  Daniel Nguyen <daniel586@sbcglobal.net>

To:  LNNNNN

(Attachment)  Tuong Trinh cua GHT NAT 26-28 oct 2009.pdf (407KB)

Dear Mrs. LNNNNNN:

Thank you for taking my advice and read those false reports.  I think you have NOT read the second report “Tuong Trinh cua GHT NAT” (“TT NAT”).  You must read them both together since the minutes item#17 did not provide all false reports regarding (a) Muc su TT Nha; (b) Muc su TT Nhiem and (c) Long Beach church.  PLEASE show me what paragraph(s) described their intention…it is just a declaration.  This is an another excuse or liar.  Please show me in these reports where it said “…just a declaration”.    You are so naive.  The false report is contradicting totally with their explanations.  I must go by what it’s written or documented.  Please note, my case is solely based on FACT.  Any verbal explanation is NOT acceptable.

In this Tuong Trinh cua GHT NAT (“TT NAT”), there are five (5) points (from #6 to #11) regarding directly to Long Beach.  Both of our blogs have explained point by point with documentations, minutes, bank statements, copy of checks, receipts, minutes, reports, emails, letters, correspondences…in one word FACT.  Again, these documents are ABSOLUTE authenticated and genuine.  If you can point out one of these document are fabricated, I shall apologize  PUBLICLY and withdraw these web sites IMMEDIATELY.

”  …To clarify the matter, BCH giao hat wanted to make known that MS Nha and Nhiem were   no longer with Giao Hat. There was no ill words mentioned in the Minutes in October as I have read. It was a declaration of facts…”

These steps in Matthew 18, I followed and performed two (2) years ago.  I still have had all documentations:  letters and correspondences with direct people involved GHT NAT, BCH GH even the correspondence with Rev Thomas Stebbin asking for his help…  The question is where were you two (2) year ago?  I also have a invitation email from GHT NAT to the BCH GH meeting for confrontation, but he canceled it without any notification.  I have a document.  It’s NOT just a verbal on the telephone.

We can react to a situation but please in God’s grace do it  in love and compassion.
The other issues are best addressed with the people involved. A dear man I respect advised that you may want address these issue in person, with an open mind on both sides to know the details.  That is love.


Please review TT NAT (attached) carefully and compare with all our documentations whether or not we are making up or fabricating any fact.  Thank you for your time.

~tin do NQH

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From:
LNNNNNN
To: Daniel Nguyen <daniel586@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 11:13:15 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Nhin trai biet cay

Dear A Hung,
You brought one question about the minutes in October and I asked someone close to me about it. Maybe people think MS Tai should not mention MS Nha or Nhiem in the report. However, when MS Nha sent out emails promoting his Bible school and all the conferences, there was much confusion to the people receiving the emails. Some people thought it was coming from Giao Hat because the name is Hoi Thanh Tin Lanh Hoa Ky. The only missing part wasthe words “Giao Hat.”
People thought Giao Hat was sending out the emails. ( I personally received these announcements).
To clarify the matter, BCH giao hat wanted to make known that MS Nha and Nhiem were no longer with Giao Hat. There was no ill words mentioned in the Minutes in October as I have read. It was a declaration of facts.
Even until today, people thought Hoi Dong got changed to January because of the recent emails sent out.
As for MS Nhiem, I do not know him . But from reading his letter, I am sorry to say that I can understand why people say ” khong co phong cach cua vi MS.” No one is worthy but he talks about himself too much and was making false statements in his letter.
My father has been in Giao Hat yet he has never heard any of the things MS Nhiem accused MS Tai of in his letter. Hearsay is not good reason to slander someone.
As for MS Tai family’s situation, it was very sad for him. He never wanted such incident happen to his children, though they were all adults and responsible for the own actions.  Please believe it was very painful for all of them when mistakes were made and you can not change the past with his family. I was there when  news broke out and all I could do was pray. Though no matter what MS Tai did, it gives us no excuse to hurt a family so much by drudging the things they cannot change. The son and daughter-in-law are commited Christians now and are in the ministry wanting to reach out to the youths. I went to Operation Good News training with the daughter-in-law and can say God can change people’s lives.
We can react to a situation but please in God’s grace do it  in love and compassion.
The other issues are best addressed with the people involved. A dear man I respect advised that you may want address these issue in person, with an open mind on both sides to know the details.  That is love.
MS Tai will finish his term this year and a new Giao Hat Truong will lead. Until then, I pray that God will give you the wisdom and love to bring glory to God.


From: Daniel Nguyen <daniel586@sbcglobal.net>
To: LNNNNNN
Cc: mSSSSS.com; GOOO.com
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 1:29:24 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Nhin trai biet cay

 

Dear Mrs. LYYYYYY:

Thank you for comments and reminding words.  I would like to response some of your comments as clearly and directly as possible.  First, please write the exactly questions or messages to GHT Nguyen Anh Tai (“NAT”) and Board of Directors (“Ban Chap Hanh Giao Hat”; “BCH GH”).  Ask them, your spiritual leaders: what aroma are you [your spiritual leaders] (NAT and BCH GH) spreading when you voted and decided to send the Minutes 26-27 Oct, 2009 and Reports of GHT NAT to all Vietnamese C&MA churches?  You can view these document at my blogs or attached.  Do they (NAT and BCH GH) estimate and think carefully and prayerfully what impact would bring for their false reports?  Why don’t you ask them, NAT & BCH GH, did you consider all options when they published these false document?  Our church is NO longer under your Vietnamese District C&MA, WHY it is necessary “discussed and made decision” about us and Muc su TT Nha and Muc su TT Nhiem?  WHY?

I agree with you “Nhin trai biet cay”.  That is exactly what I see when I read these false reports from NAT and BCH GH.  When the spiritual leaders are continuing covered up, falsified document, fabricated fact, this is where I decided to stop listen to them.  Furthermore, I decided to expose all fact and document regarding their false reports.  Please review and study their reports (nhin trai) carefully, you will know who they (biet cay) are.  They CAN NOT hide behind the “spiritual” curtain and continue to abuse their power/authority.        

“Why do you continue to broadcast the negative about someone to the whole world? The word of God said,” But thanks be to God , who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him. For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those  who are being saved and those who are perishing.” II Corinthians 2:14-15
What aroma are we spreading?

Are they (NAT & BCH GH) demonstrate God’s love through these false reports?  In fact, even while you are a christian, your faith would be challenged when you read their false reports.  Have you read their reports slowly and carefully?  If you can show and prove to me where NAT and BCH GH demonstrates God’s love in these false reports,  I would have no problem to apologize publicly to them.  I emphasize on PUBLICLY.

There are time you have to face the fact.  It may not pretty and pleasant but that is the fact.  All actions have re-actions; all causes will certainly bring effects.  Please read their false reports carefully and check against all document that we published on out blogs.  One things, I am absolutely sure that all document on our blogs are authenticated and genuine. That why I published these document for review.

The bible teaches us to love our enemies.. Are we loving our enemies when we continue to spread all these mass emails to people?  If I were a non-Christian, I will not want to have anything to do with Christianity after reading this kind of email.  Reading the mass emails about MS Tai makes me feel sorry for him because what you are doing. This is ruthless.
Jesus before ascending to heaven commanded us to be His witness. This means to talk about Jesus, not about people.  We are Jesus’ followers, not MS Nha’s followers or Long Beach church followers. So Please Stop

Again, please ask your spiritual leaders (NAT & BCN GH). What are you thinking when you voted and published these false reportsDo you know these false reports would make Midway church having tough time and all Christian to witness Gospel? I challenge you to take these questions to your spiritual leaders who suppose to support churches and Christian, but they created “5:19 … xác thịt là rõ ràng lắm: ấy là gian dâm, ô uế, luông tuồng, 5:20 thờ hình tượng, phù phép, thù oán, tranh đấu, ghen ghét, buồn giận, cãi lẫy, bất bình, bè đảng, 5:21 ganh gổ, say sưa, mê ăn uống, cùng các sự khác giống như vậy. Tôi nói trước cho anh em, như tôi đã nói rồi: hễ ai phạm những việc thể ấy thì không được hưởng nước Đức Chúa Trời”

Time to face the fact and make your decision.  It’s a tough decision whether you do something about or you don’t do anything about it.  That is your decision.  I made mine and fully accept responsibility for my decision.  Please note God’s love and justification are both of his attribute and equally important.

“Our church goes out to spread the gospel  to non-believers every week and you are doing us a dis-service by continuing to send these emails. We do not want to hear people say, “Mon do cua Chua Gie-xu chua nhau ( those disciples of Jesus are cursing one another.”
Why don’t you join the outreach team and  spread God’s love? Tet is coming up, please di lam chung va noi ve CHUA cho moi nguoi

~tin do NQH


From: LNNNNN
To: GZZZZZZZ
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 9:32:18 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Nhin trai biet cay

 

Why do you continue to broadcast the negative about someone to the whole world? The word of God said,” But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him. For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those  who are being saved and those who are perishing.” II Corinthians 2:14-15
What aroma are we spreading?
The bible teaches us to love our enemies.. Are we loving our enemies when we continue to spread all these mass emails to people?
If I were a non-Christian, I will not want to have anything to do with Christianity after reading this kind of email.
Reading the mass emails about MS Tai makes me feel sorry for him because what you are doing. This is ruthless.
Jesus before ascending to heaven commanded us to be His witness. This means to talk about Jesus, not about people.
We are Jesus’ followers, not MS Nha’s followers or Long Beach church followers. So Please Stop.

Our church goes out to spread the gospel  to non-believers every week and you are doing us a dis-service by continuing to send these emails. We do not want to hear people say, “Mon do cua Chua Gie-xu chua nhau ( those disciples of Jesus are cursing one another.”
Why don’t you join the outreach team and  spread God’s love? Tet is coming up, please di lam chung va noi ve CHUA cho moi nguoi.


From: [Deleted]

 

To: [Deleted]
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 8:11:35 AM
Subject: Fwd: Nhin trai biet cay

Xin Chao anh em than men.

Ta giao hay chanh giao la nhin Trai ma biet cay (http://vvnatai2.wordpress.com/). Cay tot kg the sanh trai xau, hoac cay xau kg the sanh trai tot. Chi co o trong Chua Giexu Christ moi co trai tot. Hay nho rang He Phai hay la to chuc co the cuu duoc anh em, Nhung chi co le that cua Chua Giexu Christ co the Giai Phong nguoi nao ma that long theo Chua Gie xu ra khoi toi.

Chua Giexu phan, Neu nguoi kg duoc sanh lai boi nouc va Thanh Linh thi nuoc se khong thay duoc nouc DCT.

Vai dieu chi khich le, Neu and em moi biet tron ven le that trong Kinh thanh, Boi su Giup do cua Chua, chung toi se giup do.

Xin Cu lien lac.

Minh nhut, nguoi VN hoc tai Philippines.

Xin Chua ban phuoc anh em.

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  1. ThanTrong said,

    KH: 16:13Tôi thấy từ miệng rồng, miệng thú, miệng tiên tri giả có ba tà thần ra, giống như ếch nhái.

    2Phi: 2:1Dầu vậy, trong dân chúng cũng đã có tiên tri giả, và cũng sẽ có giáo sư giả trong anh em; họ sẽ truyền những đạo dối làm hại, chối Chúa đã chuộc mình, tự mình chuốc lấy sự hủy phá thình lình.

    Ma-thi-ơ 7
    5 Hỡi kẻ giả hình! trước hết phải lấy cây đà khỏi mắt mình đi, rồi mới thấy rõ mà lấy cái rác ra khỏi mắt anh em mình được. [NIV]

    Thưa các con cái Chúa rất yêu-dấu:
    Tôi rất thông cảm cho quý-vị những khó khăn, bị chụp-mũ, bị chà-đạp nhân cách của những kẻ
    bội-phản đức-tin với Chúa và với các con dân Chúa. Miệng thì nói Chúa nhưng trong thâm tâm của họ vãn là ” tiền là tiên là Phật “. Lấy tiền để mua chuộc người khác làm diễn giả. Đúng, họ là kẻ diển ‘giả ‘. Tôi cũng biết điều này xảy ra trong hội-thánh khác khi được mua chuộc để làm ‘diễn giả ‘.. Wow.. giá-trị đức-tin còn ấu-trỉ, lương tâm không thức-tỉnh, giá-trị con người như là loài bò sát. Lấy tiền con dân Chúa làm những chuyện như vậy thì làm sao việc che-giấu kẻ lấy tiền của HT ở Việt-nam qua Mỹ, bào chửa cho kẻ lấy tiền của HT và chửi rủa Ban Chấp-hành, Chấp-nhận kẻ dâm-dục, etc…. hay là còn phong chức thánh cho con cái mình. Những chuyện này vang lớn trong vòng con dân Chúa từ bao nhiêu năm qua nhưng họ tưởng rằng không ai biết.

    “NOTHING STRONGER THAN THE TRUTH”.
    Hãy cứu các con dân Chúa ra khỏi các dòng giống giả dối này.
    Họ tự xưng mình như là ‘ Ngọc-Hoàng Thượng-Đế ‘. Nói đến hành-vi nhơ-nhớp đưọc bọc trong tôn-giáo của họ là họ phản-hồi cách hạ nhân cách.

    Những kẻ nịnh-bợ NAT chẳng khác nào là kẻ bán tư-cách của mình và của gia-đình trong tên lái buôn.

    Các Bạn hãy Vững Lòng…
    Sẽ còn nhiều chuyện thật hấp-dẫn hơn.. Chờ Xem..

    15 Hãy coi chừng tiên tri giả, là những kẻ mang lốt chiên đến cùng các ngươi, song bề trong thật là muông sói hay cắn xé. [NIV]

  2. MinhChau said,

    Xin kinh chao cac ban trong Chua.

    Doc cac giong thu trong vong anh em… toi cam thay ai cung co phan dung ca….chang co ai co phan sai ca….Ngay on Nguyen Anh Tai… moi dieu ong lam dieu dung ca…… nhung gi anh em phan nan ve ong Nguyen Anh Tai….deu dung ca…..

    Thua anh em..
    Ong Nguyen Anh Tai la nguoi rat gioi dieu hanh nhung hoi thanh Tin Lanh cua giao phai CMA…..rat tai tinh va rat la cao sieu…….. neu khong thi lam gi ….. ong van con giu chuc vu nay…. ong con rat gioi ve van de tao network voi nhung nhan vat khac trong giao hoi….. dong thoi thanh cong trong lanh vuc political….trong giao hoi….. Day la mot nhan vat uu tu…va rat thanh cong trong cong viec thang tieng trong chuc vu cua mot reigion…… Con viec dang khen….hay dang che ….. thi xin hau xet…..

    Con anh em, …. anh em la nhung ke thap co be mom….la nhung ke khong duoc ngoi chung trong mot phong hop…. la nhung ke chua biet chinh tri (political), chua biet tao network de bao ve lay chuc vu cua minh…..Anh em la nhung con nguoi…. chua mot lan thu doan….. chua biet maintaining attitude free…… thi lam gi co the dung den ong Nguyen Anh Tai duoc…. Anh em chi con mot cach….. la kieng an va cau nguyen…. cung Chua ma thoi…….

    Xin anh em hieu cho….. nguoi lam business trong giao hoi….. khac voi mot nguoi hau viec Chua…. toi xin anh em dung…. “danh lan con den”…… “dung tuong… co lung…. la lua mi”….
    Neu anh em chay theo mot business man….. de tung ho va vinh danh ho….. thi xin anh em hay suy nghi lai…. vi trong Chua…..thi “Good leader must be a good server”…… Chan ly cua Chua bao gio cung dem lai su binh an…. su tot lanh cho moi nguoi….. con religion de bi loi dung boi nhung tay business man nhu ong Nguyen Anh Tai….De roi moi nguoi se chan nan…. va tim mot loi di khac cho minh…..

    Xin anh em … hay cau nguyen nhieu… cho chinh minh va cho giao hoi….. dung de..”mot con sau … lam rau ca noi canh.”…. dung de mot business man….. lam can su phat trien nha Chua trong tuong lai.

    Men Chao.

    Minh Chau

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  4. Mot con cai Chua trong GH VN said,

    Lam the nao de neu len nhung viec sai lam GHT lam voi BCH GH?

    • daniel586 said,

      Thua Ong hay Ba (Qui vi):

      Neu Qui vi co nhung van kien hoac nhung van thu chinh thuc tu cac HT ve Mr. NAT, Qui vi co the cut and copy vao day.
      Chan thanh cam con.

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